tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5634085675780254011.post812626909131866411..comments2024-03-26T02:30:27.201+11:00Comments on practical BIM: Should Engineers model accurately?Antony McPheehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15366532205983073622noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5634085675780254011.post-10958201115832233352013-03-11T07:59:56.247+11:002013-03-11T07:59:56.247+11:00The way we do it in the US is. The architect desi...The way we do it in the US is. The architect designs it to be 1'-0" off the column; so it has a nice clean 2' radius column wrap. The engineer designs it 1'-6" from the column, because in his opinion the architect can't measure and forgot the inside vs outside diameter of it. The contractor shows both of them a picture onsite of the column base plate and proved both of them to be wrong because either dimension would not be covered by the column wrap and be exposed in the corridor. Many emails, threats and occasionally lawyers later; the pipe is installed through the base plate, beaten into place, painted over and handed to the owner. It's such a drama; needs lots of popcorn...and beer....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940928643274265035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5634085675780254011.post-320304002059017272013-01-25T04:21:34.140+11:002013-01-25T04:21:34.140+11:00Don't forget to consider what the owner needs ...Don't forget to consider what the owner needs in their facilities management system.sunflowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545790826423092554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5634085675780254011.post-41038747737911239472013-01-20T11:15:18.412+11:002013-01-20T11:15:18.412+11:00On small projects (typically commercial less than ...On small projects (typically commercial less than 20,000 SF) we currently employ a hybrid between 2 and 3. Because architecture typically precedes the engineers, we model the major structural and MPE elements first and the engineers use copy/monitor. This works well for structural columns, floors and roofs; OK for mechanical registers in ceilings, electrical lighting elements, and plumbing fixtures. We then request the engineers models before a deadline to use their updated content in place of the original architecture elements.<br /><br />Showing the engineers elements in the architectural documents would be preferred. I have had good experience with structural elements - steel and concrete, mechanical elements - duct and registers, plumbing fixtures - water closets and MPE plant rooms/mechanical units. Electrical elements are a different story - almost always these elements are "modeled" to the extent they can be shown in plan with no real elevation.<br /><br />Our firm has been working in Revit since 2005, yet we have only worked with 2 MPE engineers that have even tried Revit (or any other BIM platform). We have better luck with structural, but that tends to be concrete and steel projects only.kylearchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370075948165434950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5634085675780254011.post-75900914711012040452013-01-18T08:24:57.033+11:002013-01-18T08:24:57.033+11:00Method 4 with some preset guidelines and a once th...Method 4 with some preset guidelines and a once through for final adjustments/placement (not continous changes). It's only needed for the elevation that are shown by the architect. <br /><br />Could architect consider not showing MEP elements in their elevations?kubs!xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363051221782466501noreply@blogger.com